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ARKLE VERSUS FLYINGBOLT.

2/20/2018

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​It is odd, isn’t it, that a trainer can have the best two horses of his or her career at the same time, even someone who has trained for twenty years or more. It is a subjective judgement, I admit, but I would say that the best two horses Nicky Henderson has ever trained would be Sprinter Sacre and, at least one hopes, Altior, horses that were stable companions until the former’s retirement.
Paul Nicholl’s had the privilege of having Kauto Star and Denman, not to mention Big Buck’s and Master Minded, at the same time and Fred Winter had Bula and Pendil, as well as Crisp and the ill-fated Killiney. Even Dorothy Paget, an owner, of course, not a trainer, started off with the best two jumpers she ever owned in Golden Miller and Insurance, a dual Champion Hurdle winner.
So it should not be such a surprise that the two horses no less a judge as Ted Walsh believes to be the greatest jumpers of all time were also housed in the same stable. If Tom Dreaper had not trained neither Arkle nor Flyingbolt he would still remain one of the most successful trainers in either Ireland or Britain. He farmed the Irish National like no other and both his great chasers are on the scroll of honour. But he also trained Prince Regent, the greatest chaser of the war years and the horse that kick-started Dreaper’s career and until Arkle came along he believed to be the best he had under his care.
And here lies a problem. I have nothing but utmost respect for the opinions of Ted Walsh and hang on his every word yet he believes Flyingbolt is the best jumper he has ever seen, even though Flyingbolt’s trainer believed Arkle was superior. Indeed the man who knew both horses best, Pat Taaffe, wrote in his wonderful autobiography – ‘I never had any doubts at all about the winner of such a race (Arkle v Flyingbolt) …. Arkle with a bit in hand. He would have broken Flyingbolt’s heart.’
We can never know, with Arkle sidelined with injury, if Flyingbolt would have acceded to Arkle’s throne as brucellosis tragically cut short his spectacular career. And it was spectacular. In this rather sanitised modern world of National Hunt that we have now, when the top-class horses are treated as if made of glass and only run pre-Cheltenham in soft races that will not expose their limitations, it would be considered an act of near cruelty to run a comparative novice in heavy ground under the welter burden of 12st 6lbs and to be in front four out and to win going away from really good horses. From that moment at Cheltenham in 1965 people could say the name Flyingbolt in the same breath as that of Arkle and be not be laughed at.
And no wonder. He gave the runner-up in the 1965 Massey-Fergusun Gold Cup, Scottish Memories, 26lbs and beat him sixteen lengths. In the previous year’s Massey Fergusun Arkle had given the same horse thirty-three pounds (it is mind-boggling, isn’t it?) and a two length beating. In the Leopardstown Chase he gave him 35lbs and beat him one length.
Indeed the form book does suggest Flyingbolt has the credentials to be thought, if not better than Arkle, the equal of the great horse. When Flyingbolt won the Irish National he gave the top-class mare Height-o-Fashion 40lbs, and though Arkle had beaten the mare giving her a huge lump of weight it was not 40lbs. You really do have to keep emphasising the massive amounts of weight these two horses had to concede in their careers.
Flyingbolt was asked questions not asked of Arkle. Flyingbolt won the Champion 2-mile Chase (yes, he had the speed to comfortably win the 2-mile Champion Chase and the stamina to win the Irish National) and to come out the following day to run third in the Champion Hurdle. Pat Taaffe was convinced he would have made a great hurdler and in another age would have been the best chaser in the world over any distance.
Some horse by any measure. Yet it takes people of the calibre of Ted Walsh to keep Flyingbolt in the conscious memory. He was a phenomenon; the likes of which we shall never know again. More should be done to keep his name alive and relevant.
Though the form book suggests Flyingbolt could have been the greatest and he is certainly the closest to Arkle we have ever seen, he did not win the Cheltenham Gold Cup three times or a King George or a Hennessey and it is upon such races that the mantle of ‘the greatest ever’ is forged. And let us not forget that Pat Taaffe was definite in his opinion that Arkle was superior, that he possessed the greater turn of foot from the last fence. And they did change the rules of handicapping in Ireland to accommodate Arkle – one handicap to be used if Arkle ran, another if he didn’t. He was so superior to ordinary equestrian mortals that a handicap in which Arkle was entered but did not run ended up with every horse running with 9st 7lbs.
Arkle is the horse all steeplechasers past and present will be judged against, and for all his wonderful achievements any comparison between Kauto Star, except the good fortune of his longevity, and Arkle are woefully one-sided. That is how great is the name Arkle.
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James Tennant
6/29/2019 05:29:12 pm

Kauro star was a good horse but is
overaged 3rd best ever.His record
giving weight was woeful,4pounds
to handicapper monkerhostin
saw him well beaten.He was beat off levels too much as well to be rated that high.His king George wins were ok but no great horses
we're in them ,he was hammered
By long run,and imperial commander.I could go on.should be in the 180,s..No arkle or flying bolt.

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Jon Bentley link
5/13/2020 05:28:11 pm

Others in the Dreaper yard (Jim Dreaper; Barry Brogan) have clearly stated Flyingbolt was marginally superior, but I believe the main points are these:

1. Flyingbolt beat the same horses as Arkle but with more in hand (Height o Fashion/Scottish memories).

...BUT 2. Arkle's overall record is superior & Flyingbolt ran at a lower level for several years after returning from Brucellosis infection.
Now Arkle's known as the greatest & Flyingbolt almost forgotten.
Let's give Flyingbolt the recognition he deserves and remember both him and Arkle as the 2 true immortals of steeplechasing.

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James Tennant link
5/4/2021 01:48:30 pm

Surely it's the jockey who knew best?
"Arkle with a bit in hand"
That's what pat wrote in his book!
He rode them in battle not just cantering on the gallops.
Though he did state it would be close on bottomless ground, he favoured Arkle on decent going due to his superior turn of foot after the last.

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Jon Bentley
5/4/2021 02:53:15 pm

Paddy Woods rode Arkle the last time he ran over hurdles (and every day at home), and agreed Arkle was better.

But the Dreaper yard was divided on the matter.

On collateral form they were very close, and what I'm saying is that Flyingbolt doesn't deserve to be forgotten.

James Tennant link
5/5/2021 01:44:13 pm

Couldn't agree more and in my opinion, nothing has come close to them since.
Both phenomenal horses!

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Careless Heart
7/14/2021 10:20:25 am

Flyingbolt should not be assessed based on several seasons of disappointing form after he suffered Brucellosis.
Rather, his record beforehand, where he was not only unbeaten over fences but pretty well unextended.
The Irish National was the only time he needed to be pushed out, and that when giving a very good rival 40lbs.
Of course, he never had the opportunity to stamp himself on the great races (with the exception of the Champion Chase which he won by a distance) but in his eleven race unbeaten streak over fences he scaled heights no other chaser has scaled with the exception of Arkle.
Barry Brogan was another who felt him to be the better horse and its hard to see how anyone could have known for sure; certainly the comparative weight carrying performances cited above fell in favour of Flyinbolt having the edge.

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James Tennant link
7/14/2021 12:57:16 pm

Pat taaffe in his book stated
"Arkle with a bit in hand"
Due to his turn of foot after the last. Brogan only rode him on the
Gallops, taafe in the heat of battle.
Though jim dreaper on YouTube
Stated pat said it would be close
on real bottomless ground
(See flyingbolt 65 Massey Ferguson) The jockey!! Said Arkle
with a bit in hand...not the stable boy!

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ANDREW EVZONA link
2/15/2023 01:17:27 am

I refer to the John Randall article about the highest rated steeplechasers,Arkle and Flyingbolt where he tried to insinuate that there was very little between them!
Pat Taaffe rode both horses in the vast majority of their races and he was ADAMANT that Arkle had more speed than Flyingbolt and always had some acceleration left when racing ,whereas, that was not the case with Flyingbolt who was always most effective on heavy ground ,while Arkle beat 4 other Cheltenham Gold Cup winners ,including the great Mill House and top class Pas Seul ,and, a Champion 2 mile chase winner ,Dunkirk,while Flyingbolt never raced against any horses of that calibre.
There is no guarantee Flyingbolt would have beaten Dunkirk in the 1966 Champion 2 mile chase had they met there!
Realism is required here ,and, when Arkle was given his Rating of 220 against Flyingbolt's 210 ,that represented a more realistic comparison of the pair as far as Pat Taaffe is concerned as confirmed in the books written by Ivor Herbert and Sean Magee!
I might add that as Arkle's Rating was lowered after his later defeats ,with valid excuses in both cases, then, so should Flyingbolt's Rating been decreased when he returned to race aged 9 and older,after his illness, and was beaten time and time again!
For the record ,Arkle's winning strike rate over fences was what mattered most,winning 22 of his 26 steeplechase races and placed in the other 4,with mitigating circumstances for each defeat, carrying weights ABOVE 12 stones in 14 of those races, while Mill House benefited from Arkle's slip in the 1963 Hennessy Gold Cup Chase, and, then still ran Arkle to 5 lengths in the epic 1964 Gold Cup,and, for Timeform to rate Kauto Star as good as him is sacrilege as he would have been beaten out of sight if he had been competing in the same race,while Denman proved his superior in 3 out of 4 meetings also,and it would have been all 4 if Denman never had his heart problems!

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Barney Hoolahan link
11/15/2024 09:42:36 pm

When we think of Flyingbolt v Arkle we immediately think Gold cup. Looking at Flyingbolt's career firstly with Tom Dreaper he was only asked to tackle 3 miles twice one in acweak race at 3m and once at 3m2f in the IGN when he was barely out of a canter until the last furlong which no doubt helped him get the trip. After taking ill he went to Ken Olivers at the same time as Barry Brogan who knew the horse he had been very close to in Ireland..never once was he asked to tackle 3 miles. His next trainer Roddy Armatage ran him in the King George, he was run out of it by Tiitus Oats He then ran over 3m again at Ascot and was well beaten. Adding 2 and 2 together I think it's fair to say his best trip was 2m to 2m6f. In my opinion his chances of staying the 3m2f trip at Gold Cup pace against Arkle would have been remote at best and wouldn't have seen the way "Himself" went

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